When you are born again you are automaticallySPIRITUALLYbaptised by Jesus Christ onto the One and Only baptism there is, where after the Holy Spirit comes to live in you. step 6- the complete new aging of the church and a new spirituality the new gospel of self effort , self fulfillment and self empowerment . The Holy Spirit IS THE GIFTwho MANIFESTS healing, prophecy, words of wisdom, etc etc etc. Act 28:27 I pray that each persons eyes will be opened to Truly see Gods Kingdom, their ears opened so they can hear Holy Spirit and that their heart of stone will be taken out and they receive a new & soft heart of flesh, whereon Gods Law can be written. There is something ABOUT GOD HIMSELF that we dont believe. We are living in a dark age where sin and selfishness have been taking over the church. You strain a gnat an swallow a camel! I was only allowed to cry for a few minutes and God took the reins and pulled back my emotions and said, I have him. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. My only goal is that all would come to a point of repentance and that our Lord Jesus Christ would be glorified. Mat 21:25 The baptismG908of John,whencewas it? Thank you to Andrew Strom also, I found your article regarding Bill Johnson that I can send to my friend. Yet there is unity in this diversity, as long as we see Christ Jesus our Lord as the reason for our unity. There are so many trying to warn others about this man. Thats not to say that God wont act through people. Even in our disagreements we need to be glorifying God in all that we do. Are people insinuating that the people prayed for were actors? I dont know. Why are not all of us down at our local shopping malls praying for people? He can also STOP anytime He wants to. So far, all I see out of this man is good fruit. Torben believes in taking new Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and share the gospel. The only authority I have is through our Lord Jesus and I rely on His word as given to us in scriptures. Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. Others fall into the Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be, Stephan Joubert se Deurlees van die Boek Openbaring, Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments, Freemasonry / Ordo Novum Seclorum / Illuminati, Exposed: Holy Spirit vs Unholy Spirit of Fire. But our minds must CONFORM to the mind of Jesus Christ..not continually making up our own way of thinking. Susan healing is for everywhere, not just outside the church. Torben Sndergaard is founder of The Last Reformation, a movement that has spread all around the world the last few years. Its not just a matter of someone professing correct doctrine with their lips, but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit such that, when it acts through us, people are brought to repentance, recognizing Jesus as Lord. I received a comment from a Discerning the World reader who said: I have just found this page recently and I find it very interesting. He carries the burden of a broken heart. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? Bethel practices fire tunnels to get drunk in the spirit. Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in 8 suitcases. Discerning the World 2008 - 2022. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. They were all very obvious. 3) I am who God said I am For all those caught up in this demonic mess and want to be set free please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance? Are they saying that Roman Catholics who speak in tongues are born again as well? Perhaps you should read the whole passage up to verse 12. So the real test is that you will react to something the way Jesus wants you to react, and you are unable to do that if you dont always listen and obey. Trending. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. . My email is jmesfjarjou@yahoo.com in case you dont want yours to be public you can send me directly if that is ok with you. Do you think because you read the bible that if you saw a man calling Himself Jesus, this very day, YOU WOULD BELIEVE IT WAS HIM? So the Hebrews ASSUMED THEY KNEW GODS FORMULA FOR SUCCESS. Jesus said greater works than these shall you do! Faith is rising in my heart that God can use any of his children to minister to the sick. always been very clear that true healings, prophecies, dreams, I think you are right Barry. Subtley shifting the focus away from the divine purpose of revival from repentance and faith in Jesus alone towards centralizing and making WIRRDSVILLE the main objective of revival. Aarons rod that buddedmiraculously. This means we ALREADY HAVE THIS REVIVAL LIGHT OF JESUS IN US SHINING! VIDEO MIRACLES AT WALMART Please Watch!! The gifts that are talked about in the NT are not like a pack of pencils that are doled out 1 to each person. Torben and Ronald did say that they felt nothing when they prayed for people who were healed. Only God knows. Fewer religious spirits to break through maybe? Ezekiel 34: 20 Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. Go Torben . Thank you for the clarification Andrew! ! 1) to be fearful, be dreadful, be feared share the gospel. Just because there are counterfeits, is no reason to deny when God does something. After all, isnt this the most important test of the spirit? But I guess repentance is too much to hope for. See also John 1:12-13. I will continue to respect you for that. The Lord Himself showed His disciples, Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. There is a Danish Pastor called Torben Sndergaard doing the rounds and Ive been asked 3 times now what I think of him. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary called "God's Best Children," which lumped Torben in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. But the Lord is both merciful and mighty and He is able to deliver His own if they are willing and repent of idolatry etc. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. People being raised from the dead, people who were truly lame from birth given the power to walk, people who were 100% blind being able to see, etc. The simplicity, the sincerity & humbleness is so refreshing to see. An ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his Visa. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. Sndergaard has been held in a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility, in MacClenny, Florida, since the arrest. Hebrews 6:1-2(KJV) Says doctrines of Christ, and then uses a word Baptisms, yes go look it up, its plural. Step 5. You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Not as playthings, not as things we use and do with as WE (flesh) please. 2) to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. To all you dear brethren who choose to criticize, please repent and instead get out there and do it. It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. Id take issue with just one thing the gifts of healings are for the common good of both the Body of Christ (the context of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14, and the public at large (where the Apostle Paul also was used of God for healing, prophecy, and so on). Share on facebook. The healer used the leg pulling method I felt fire through my legs and into my lower back. Will try the link you posted. The prophets of baal danced, shouted and cut themselves for hours in order to try and get fire down from Heaven to consume the sacrifice. `in His right hand He held 7 stars.`, This shows the executive activity of the enthroned Son of Man. This shows the administrative authority of the empowered Son of Man. It is very glorifying to God to see His manifold wisdom displayed in manifold ways through His many people. There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. 1 Peter 3:20. Yet, there are millions who say to his face, Sorry Jesus, but you neither fulfilled the law of circumcision nor water baptism. Were the Hebrews experiencing New Age phenomena in the wilderness? I continued to suffer pain for almost another year, before going to a chiropractor, where I was first x-rayed, then we discussed my history. Now a woman, having a flow of blood for twelve years, who had spent all her livelihood on physicians and could not be healed by any, came from behind and touched the border of His garment. These two are Gods fool proof acid tests . I believe this goes along with the last revival article by Wilkerson. Note the reference in the NT to the elders laying on of hands on the sick. Im actually surprised the way Andrew responded. . Jesus was concerned enough about Lazarus to weep at his death, and then He did something about it. The basis for the healing rooms training, techniques, and charge of admission is not found in the Bible. You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism. I would ask any of you to go back and read your posts and if you feel convicted that you were acting in your flesh, to repent and seek Gods forgiveness for doing so. The answer to that question is I most certainly try when I feel the Lord speaking to me. Yeshua said, of myself I can do nothing but only what I see and hear of the Father. The prophet Isaiah said, arise and let your light shine.. In fact, without them Was it not God who originated each miracle and the devils servants Jannes and Jambres who were the copycats ? Read this article: http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/activator.html. A new Spirit-one that is more interested in making men thrilled and exhilaerated than in making men holy and heavenly minded and a new hope a hope in this world and in this age- where believers will rule and reign in this present dark age rather than the blessed hope the glorious appearing of The Lord Jesus Christ from heaven and the hope in the life to come which declares , if for this life only we have hope we of all men are to be most pitied .. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. I praise God for the healing that God does through him and yet my heart is saddened by the lack of healing for saints suffering in the Church. Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. www.TheLastReformation.com Torben Sndergaard | Orlando FL His touch cleansed the leper, raised the dead, & restored the ear Peter had severed. The Holy Spirit & His Word agree. Jesus tempered the enthusiasm of the disciples by saying not to rejoice in the demons submitting to us but to only rejoice that our names be written in the Lambs book of life. The things of God are too precious to be treated as common. Torbens testimonies and teachings have increased my faith and given me confirmation. The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. And Jesus said, Who touched Me? When all denied it, Peter and those with him said, Master, the multitudes throng and press You, and You say, Who touched Me? But Jesus said, Somebody touched Me, for I perceived power going out from Me.. When the Lord God does a work it is holy.and we should be in awe enough to not handle it with our hands of flesh and make an idol of it, much less glory in it. chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. 35 years of not seeing healings and being told they dont happen today have a very bad effect on my faith, and I need this to show me that it doesnt have to be like that after all! The fakes and charlatans lengthen legs to try to copy the original healings of God. [8] Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faith which is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. common, ordinary, plain, usual, Related Words So she succeeded after much effort in touching the hem of His garment, and as she touched the hem of His garment, there flowed into her body the quickening lifestream, and she felt in her body that she was made whole of the plague. this is new age worship of another false Jesus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pvdl8HDmkA. Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? True Faithnot Emotional Faith.but TRUE FAITH believes in the TOTAL SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD. Its far more common then people realize. Lets compare this to what Torben is doing. And yes the first video was full of evidence that we are dealing with a genuine and anointed man of God. That may have been more of satans intent than the immediate deceptions he caused. 542. 3) to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe Paul said with a loud voice, Stand upright on your feet. And he leaped up and began to walk. Torben Sndergaard prays in tongues over the person one can only shudder as to what demonic entity he is communicating with. 1 Corinthians 10:1. barryrschmidt@gmail.com, You know friends I totally get and appreciate both sides of the questioning miracles argument. That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. watchful, your message about running from the spot light is a good one. It is starting to get gangrene where the wooden leg attaches. 1.Repent(turn back) to the Father In Luke 9:49, 50, John said, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he that is not against you is for you. John wanted the disciples to monopolize the truth among themselves and exclude all those who did not belong to his group. Maybe it was the fact that the video started They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. It is the primary activity of the ekklesias, it is our goal as servants of our Lord Jesus Christ, it is how the world will be reached with the gospel of the Kingdom of God. In order to test the spirits, I am compelled to ask why in the hearings in this video, doesnt God use ones like He did in the NTthat are without question? Within a few minutes I felt a deep concern and compassion rise up inside of me and found my self spontaneously and effortlessly inquiring of the ladies health condition. I went to a conference of Rick Joyners where women with extremely long hair writhed on the floor like serpents (these women were allowed on stage). My kids and I actually went out and did it too. Only those who were damned to eternal perdition were baptized (dunked UNDER/IN) the water. Peter spoke in Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them: Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit . WHO does the KEEPING? There are believers like me who are VERY cynical about some guy on the internet who claims to be able to heal people like this gentleman is doing. Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. Be careful, God will warn you many times that playing with FIRE is dangerous, and in the end will hand you over to the delusion you begged and pleaded for because you refuse to repent. 1.Tom & Deborah, are you really saying that the baptism(Immersion) in water has no more power, does not form part of the Gospel & is worthless & can be disregarded completely? If legs are lengthened, I say, Halleluia and thank you Jesus. Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. I am so full of matter about how the church today is so cynical. I DOUBT IT! Amen meanwhile press on saints. All that Christ wanted was faith in Himself. Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. What I will do differently than what I saw in the first video is to not make a big deal about what happened if God heals them. Why did God allow Korban to include the scammers an fakes favorite trick as part of this video? Seymour burst out laughing. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. "The beauty of it was that in the course of explaining and teaching the court about what it means to walk out one's faith as a Christian, Torben was able to share scripture.". other ditch on the far side of the road. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. Rather, it is the Holy Spirit authenticating the message I gave to you about Jesus Christ. It is plain heresy. Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. 2.getting water baptized(immersed) on my faith in the name of Jesus God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. We know from scripture what God thinks of hybrids/mixtures, so we are not to touch the unclean thing but come out of there. USURPING the role of the Holy Spirit is very dangerous for ones health and welfare.check the scriptures. I heard it from a preacher some years ago. You dont know me, nor do I know you. I believe that Andrews used an unfortunate choice of words in the second post calling those who sincerely wish to fulfill the biblical duty to test the spirits as a Sad Reaction. He arose, saying, Let us pray that the Lord will now heal you., As he did so, he took her by the hand. They would not exercise faith and do works of the Spirit to glorify God, but rather prevent unbelievers from entering in. Barry Schmidt , a friend that post on this site ask me about your email because she though I might have your email. It says He was manifested (incarnated) to take away our sins while there was no sin in Him. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. It very well could be true, but the video itself leaves many questions unanswered. I perceive a very tiny bit of pride, but only the amount I would expect from any believer. Thank the Lord Jesus! Torben is clear-headed, informed, and full of compassion for those persecuting him. Lets all just accept each other on ONE BASIS ALONE- JESUS DEATH AND SPIRIT IN US- and lets all together just surrender and yield to His Holy Spirit in us and lets just each one do and speak whatever JESUS MOVES US TO DO AND SAY. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. Too many of us have gone too far the other way as a result of the charismania hype and false revivals. I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. Ha, ha, ha! Other christians have told me I cant discern what is true and what is wrong, and that what I received that wonderful day of salvation is not of God. Thats not biblical. Boy! Peculiar particles called Manna falling from the sky OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023. 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